Dear, BE Founders and Members, et al,
I would like to share with you to the best of my knowledge the inception and creation of Badass Engagement (BE) Now known as “Visionary Leaders Powered by Pleasure.”
On March 22rd, 2018, Katie and I met at Indian Springs in Calistoga for a spa day. During the time in the pool Katie talked about wanting to start a high level referral networking group. She wanted to create something like BNI (Business Networking International), but without the patriarchal influence so prevalent in most networking groups. The more Katie and I talked about it, the more excited we both became. We knew that we would need some expert help in putting together such a different approach to the way this type of networking group should be run. So Katie and I started to write out a list of people whom we would invite to help us create this new and different type of networking group. Katie and I decided that we needed people who were committed to referrals – Real Practicing Networkers.
Katie jotted down the names of our friends and associates that we thought could help us create and be a part of this idea for a new networking group. Those of you who were part of taking this idea and making it into something real, and what is known of today as BE, you’ll notice that you’re on the list. This was the first and only original list. (See the attached photo or click on image or here for a larger version.)
Katie and I met and became friends immediately in a local BNI chapter. BNI is a referral Network that is very successful. However Katie and I both agreed we wanted to up the game and create something different. But we needed people who not only agreed with what we wanted to create, but who had the talent and skills to help us create it. Even though Katie I weren’t able to create BE without the assistance of the other 4 Founders, we were able to come up with a title for our idea. And that title was Badassery Engagement. However, Katie later decided that most people wouldn’t understand the word Badassery, so she changed it to Badass Engagement.
Katie and I discussed when our first meeting would be, and settled on a May 11th, 2018 Zoom meeting. The first meeting was to explain what we wanted BE to be and to see who would be interested in being a part of helping us create that concept. The meeting was successful – people were intrigued and excited so we scheduled another follow-up meeting on May 30th for those that wanted to move forward. At that time we had confirmed 9 people including Katie and myself. Although we had agreed upon more than 7 people that we felt had the skills and talent to help us create BE, these were the 7 who agreed to help us do it.
- Chimene Pollard
- Maggie Schreiber
- Steve Swearengen
- Nan Foster
- Steve Adams
- Lisa Eddy
- Isabelle Choiniere-Correa
I believe we met via Zoom one more time on June 27th, 2018, and then scheduled our first in-person meeting on Wednesday, July 25th @ 8:30 AM, at Katie’s Glow Center. Following the BNI model, our goal was to meet every week to create BE. I was still in BNI at that time serving as its President. Since I would not be able to meet every week as we had planned, Katie and I decided that it was best for all of us to meet twice per month and to start meeting weekly in October when my term as the BNI President was over.
After a few more meetings at Katie’s Glow Center, 3 of the 7 people that had volunteered decided this was something they would not be able to commit to. That left 6 potential Founding members including Katie and I. I have listed all 6 of us below because we are the 6 Founders who created BE.
- Nan Foster
- Katie Macks
- Michelle Moquin
- Chimene Pollard
- Maggie Schreiber
- Steve Swearengen
My term as BNI president ended on October 1st, 2018, so we had our first weekly 2-hour meeting on October 3rd, 2018. We continued to meet every week thereafter for 8 months. We all brainstormed to define and create the roles, agenda, and structure of Badassery Engagement (BE). It was a very intense but enjoyable collaborative effort.
I want to give special shoutouts to: 1. Maggie Schreiber for her “mastermind piece” (Seat of the Soul, Aka SOS) contribution. It was an exceptional addition to BE’s Format, and is currently part of the Agenda of BE today. 2. Chimene Pollard, who created BE’s roster spreadsheets. Chimene was our official note taker at every meeting. She came up with the brilliant idea to bring her computer and projector set so that her note taking could be directly written into a document that all of us could access immediately through Google Docs.
Katie brought huge wall post-its so we could write all of our ideas down and display them on the walls of her Glow Center. (see photos of Glow Center exhibits below. Click on each photo to enlarge) At one point 3 out of the 4 walls were almost completely covered with those huge Post-its. They represented the progress we were making during the creating of BE’s Agenda in real time.
When we were done, we were very proud of our accomplishment. We had taken an idea to create a referral network group that was different from today’s concept like BNI and with egoless collaborative hard work made it real. Our creation, BE, would be something others could follow to become a better leader and to elevate their business to the next level.
Although the following “BE in a nutshell” are the parts we, the Founders, put together to create BE, I believe it was the love, and respect we had for each other, together with the desire to create a better leadership model that enabled us to reach the end product. Thank you, fellow Founders, for the experience.
BE in a nutshell
1. The BE Roles (assignments/responsibilities/scripts/rotation rosters)
2. The Mission statement
3. The Community Charter
4. The Red Dot Talk/Love Notes
5. The Seat of the Soul Mastermind/SOS Report
6. The Mastermind of Two/3 BE questions
7. The Trinity* (Brags, Gratitude, Desires)
8. The BE Real business Intro and Questions
9. The One Word takeaway, and
10. The Membership Application
We tweaked it a little bit more, but the end result is the BE program you are paying for today. I’m sure if you asked Katie, she probably has pictures of those walls which were papered with her Post-its. I hope she kept them because they show in real time the process we used to create BE.
*I also want to give credit to Regina Thomashauer AKA “Mama Gena” for her amazing tools that are used at every meeting when members voice their Trinity(a Brag, a Gratitude, and a Desire).
All of the Founders contributed their ideas and genius equally. Week after week, from July 25th 2018, to March 27th 2019 (8 months), we brainstormed together, creating, changing, testing, and perfecting our BE concept until we had our first launch on March 27th. The synergy, inspiration, and excitement that was present in each weekly meeting was so heartfelt, and one of the things that we talked about continually as we built BE. I don’t think that any one of us put in the lion’s share of these principles, rules and regulations that makes BE, BE. It was truly a heartfelt and collaborative effort.
The ideas flowed intuitively and effortlessly. I love the way we were able to play off of each other’s ideas and brilliance seamlessly. Many times we found ourselves finishing each other’s sentences as we were taking each other’s ideas to the next level. I don’t believe anyone felt like there was ego involved when we critiqued each other to make something better. It was as if we had all become one big brain of inspiration bringing our best to our collaborative creative process. It was palpable. Just ask any Founding member.
What you are experiencing today is the collaboration of those 6 Founding members:
- Nan Foster
- Katie Macks
- Michelle Moquin
- Chimene Pollard
- Maggie Schreiber
- Steve Swearengen
As a team we Founders contributed our blood, sweat and tears for 8 months towards making the idea of creating a better networking organization than BNI possible. Even after we had started enrolling new members, we, the Founders, continued meeting to work out the kinks (sometimes meeting after the formal meeting at the Glow Center, and sometimes on Zoom). We did this for Katie for an entire year while attending BE weekly with new members who were paying Katie $3,000 for a year membership. We were never offered any portion of those $3,000 per year membership fees. However, we were encouraged to continue recruiting members who would pay Katie a membership fee of $3,000 per year.
Every Founder was featured on Katie’s website, but once they were no longer a part of BE, their photo and information was taken down. I am appalled that she erased their names from her website: https://www.katiemacks.com/pioneers. Without their dedication and hard work, there would be no BE. Therefore, I am not surprised that she has also removed my picture.
Frankly, I am ashamed that Katie felt that she could just erase all our efforts; blood, sweat and tears by sending us a letter asking us to say that we hadn’t done what we had done. Katie asked us to sign a document that she alone had created BE, and that we were simply people that she brought in to Beta test her idea. (Click here to read the letter dated 24SEP19 to the Founders) Yes, she provided the large wall post-its, but they were OUR ideas that were on those post-its.
Letter to the Founders from Katie:
Since I am showing you the Founders’ letter, I want to share a few things that I want to say about it. To make it easy for you to follow along, I have set it up so that each of my responses corresponds to a particular line or paragraph in the letter. Click here to view the original letter that Katie emailed the Founders on 24SEP19. To make it easier for you to read my responses to Katie, I have copied her letter and pasted it here word for word, and paragraph for paragraph. My responses are shown in red when I am personally addressing Katie. Any other background context will be shown in blue.
Please keep in mind that these are my personal opinions. They do not have the force of law, but they certainly express what I would have said to Katie if her correspondence to me had been in a medium in which I could respond instantaneously to her BS.
Note to Katie: I am assuming that you will be reading this, since I sent you the same two emails (the first on January 27th 2021, the second on February 14th 2021) that I sent to everyone else, with a definite reference and link to this web page. And yes, Katie, one of the reasons I sent this to you, the same time I’m sending it to everyone else, is that I want you to feel free to call me anytime. My digits are the same.
Letter from Katie:
(My thoughts to her letter are in RED)
September 24, 2019
Dear Badass Pioneers,
I am writing this to you after much thought, prayer and deep processing.
“Prayer,” really Katie? A bit thick don’t you think?
First and foremost, I want you all to know how much I love and appreciate each one of you. As I have shared multiple times personally and in front of the room, each one of you have brought your unique magic to our community and for that I am, and always will be grateful.
“…each of you have brought your unique magic to our community and for that I am, and always will be grateful.” Actually Katie, that should read “…each of you have brought your unique magic to my money-making business, BE, and for that I am, and always will be grateful. But I will never give you the credit you are due for efforts in helping me create BE.”
It has come to my attention that discussions have been happening among some of the pioneers about entitlement to a share of the business’ profits based upon that “founder/ pioneer” status.
Katie, any “entitlement” your word choice, to a share of the business profits, based upon as you stated founder/pioneer status, would be a valid one if we wanted to assert our rights to a share of the business profits of a business that we helped you create. That relationship cannot be simply erased by you changing the name from Founder to “Pioneer.” We, the 6 Founders, of which you were only one, and not any more important than any of the others, created BE, exactly as it looks today. You may tweak it, but the creation of BE belongs to all 6 of us. Ergo, if we wanted to assert our rights to any financial compensation, we would have every legal right to do so. My suggestion to you is, be grateful it’s not where our heads are at. Don’t push your fortuity by being disrespectful to us as creators of BE.
It appears that one founder had a conversation with someone about BE and somehow it was interpreted that this member was on a board of a company.
Katie, you were aware when you wrote that sentence, that I was the one that had the conversation with another member. And I am not ashamed to admit it to anyone who did not know. However, I never misinterpreted that I was on the board of a company. That’s just BS on your part, Katie.
I want to be clear that I invited you all to be a part of a BETA test to see if this idea of mine could have legs. I did not invite you to be on a board or business partners. The entity that “holds” my business is a California limited liability company of which I am the sole “member” (owner) and “manager” (officer). Limited liability companies do not have boards.
When Katie and I discussed her idea of creating a networking group, we both thought of business owners whom we would invite to help us create something new in the networking arena and who would also be good referral partners.There was no talk of a Katie creating a business out of BE then, nor Beta testing it. One cannot Beta test something that has not been created yet, and at that time Katie and I had no idea what the final product would look like. We didn’t even know for sure that it could be done. A Beta test isn’t done until a concept is in the final stages. In truth, a Beta test is carried out by a party unconnected with its development. We, the Founders were very much connected to the development of BE, for the obvious reason, we got together to create BE.
To those of you who might be slightly confused by listening to Katie’s lies, let me point out that it was only after we, the 6 founders; Nan Foster, Katie Macks, Michelle Moquin, Chimene Pollard, Maggie Schreiber, and Steve Swearengen created BE, did we test BE. Actually we tested our BE concept every week so that we could run the meeting smoothly and eventually expand BE by inviting others to join us. Our idea was to make it one group of no more than 20 people, as that would enable Katie to fit that number in her Glow Center comfortably. Katie suggested that members should pay a quarterly fee of $130 for the venue/supplies/philanthropy + an annual fee, (at that time $500 was the unconfirmed price listed in Chimene’s notes, dated November 7th, 2018) that would go towards the website and marketing, due at the time of induction.
It wasn’t until much later that Katie informed us that she wanted to turn BE into a business, and charge a yearly membership fee that was substantially more. She informed us that she had decided it was not going to be a 20 person referral networking group, but a leadership practice/incubator. Katie said that the format that we had created would remain the same. However, she said that her goal was to open up chapters all over the country.
Personally, I think that was Katie’s idea from the beginning. When she is talking about it was all her idea from the beginning, she’s not talking about the concept what is now BE, she’s talking about the money making possibilities from the creation of BE. And I suppose, that was solely her idea. For certain she didn’t inform us in the beginning about her idea to open up chapters all over the country and to charge $3000.00 per person to join. In my opinion she didn’t inform us in the beginning of her intentions to form a personal business for herself, because she feared we might ask for some kind of partnership or compensation for our work.
This grand experiment turned out to be magical and powerful for all of us.
Katie, I partially agree, because “this grand experiment turned out to be magical” for all of us, but powerful for only one of us, you. Powerful here being your euphemism for a great money making opportunity. With that in mind, Katie, let me just make that sentence more accurate. “This grand experiment turned out to be magical for all of us, and a great money making opportunity for me.”
That’s about right for you, Katie, but not for me. Although, I can’t speak for the other 4 Founders, I think it was magical because the 6 of us succeeded in creating something, I believe, is better than the BNI format, because we distanced ourselves from the patriarchal model BNI and other networking companies evolve from. And it was done in an atmosphere of total sharing, minus ego, and with the desire to simply help others grow their businesses. I’m going to leave the “powerful” to you, as they say, “knowledge is power.” And only you were imbued with the knowledge that this grand experiment was a scheme to get 5 people to help you create a business that you could make a profit from, and kick the 5 Founders who helped you create that business, to the curb.
We came up with many brilliant pieces to add to the foundation of BE during our Beta Test period. Once BE launched in March, various roles and tasks were established that we intended to share, relating the operation of the meetings, including set up/clean up, welcome/follow up, application/membership process, tracking referrals/feeling seen and I see you, mentoring, etc.; however, the sharing of these responsibilities largely fell by the wayside. Not right wrong good or bad, just what happened. I picked up the pieces and have done it all on my own as a business owner would; I have learned so much from this experiment in this new paradigm.
Katie, the “many brilliant pieces” were the foundation.
The foundation of BE was an idea to create a structure similar to BNI. All of the “brilliant pieces” she refers to in her paragraph above, make up the entire format that we created. Without those “brilliant pieces,” the only thing that Katie would have would be her idea to improve the BNI format with a few “brilliant pieces” she couldn’t come up with on her own. Those ‘brilliant pieces” were the following: 1) The10-minute presentation was borrowed from BNI. Katie renamed it the Red Dot Talk (RDT) inspired by the TEDx Red Dot. 2) Katie shared her Community Charter as a template for us to create BE’s Community Charter. 3) As I mentioned in my email, to Katie and the Founders, dated January 27th 2021, Maggie Schreiber contributed one of the most important pieces, the Seat of The Soul (SOS) and supplied BE the use of all of the questions that we ask the member on the seat during the SOS process today.
During those 2-hour weekly meetings, we, the 6 Founders, came up with the entire format known today as BE. We continued to tweak it as best as we could until we presented to the public. However when BE launched in March 2019, the various roles, Meeting Facilitator, SOS Facilitator, SOS, RDT, Scribe, Time Keeper, SOS report, that Katie referred to, we had already put in place. The only new roles and responsibilities we needed to come up with were in regards to the meeting logistics and new membership that Katie referred to. Yes, these fell by the wayside as most of these were roles and tasks that took place outside of the normal meeting time (Wednesdays 8:00-10:00AM), and the normal meeting agenda. At that point, Katie had declared that BE was now her business, and she was the sole owner. Therefore, those roles and tasks were left up to her discretion.
And, Katie, as for the rest of the gobblydegook BS, in that paragraph, I’m going to give it the consideration it’s worth – nothing. As far as, you picking up the business, as any business owner would, the only pieces you picked up were the checks that you got from the people you charged to join BE. I agree, you have learned a lot from this experiment, but not enough to keep you from putting your foot in your mouth by lying about who the creators of BE were. If we can agree that the definition of paradigm is a system of beliefs, ideas, values, and habits, that is a way of thinking about the real world, then in my opinion, it appears to me, that your system, is a narcissistic one based on self-aggrandizement. And of course, as always, I welcome your reply.
The structure and format of what we do each week in our Badass Engagement meetings is what I proposed to you all when I invited you to be a part of the Beta test. With our collective genius we brought even more congruency to the structure I proposed. As we moved away from “selling” our businesses, it became clear to me that BE is a leadership practice/incubator rather than a “referral network” even though referrals are passed almost every week. With that said, we have a tracking system on Google Drive, of which, at this point we are not using or tracking. I just checked again today and the tracking system is empty.
Katie, I know you know you’re lying when you say the “structure and format of what we did each week in our badass engagement meeting is what” you proposed to us when you invited us to be part of a Beta test. First of all, you never invited us to be a part of any Beta test. That “Beta” is something that either you came up with, or your lawyer did, to legally imply that you had created BE on your own. If you had had the smarts to do that, you wouldn’t have needed to con me into believing that I was your BFF. I think you felt you had to do that in order to get me to help you find people with the talent, to create Something you couldn’t create on your own.
And just to keep everybody on the same page, that “Something” was the idea that you had wanted to create something that could compete with BNI. The “Something” that would make BNI better, would be the things we created to make it better. I believe it was our discovery that leaning on a matriarchal influence rather than the traditional patriarchal influence is what gives BE its significant difference. And let me just say that you didn’t have any idea about the matriarchal influence. That was a byproduct of the symbiotic relationship that the 6 of us had when we worked as a team to create the concept known today as BE. It makes me want to call you a lying sack of ________, but I won’t.
Maybe I’m overreacting but frankly I’m just pissed at your attempts to make what we created, the 6 of us, you just being 1 of the 6, into a Beta test. You came up with that big lie so that you can take credit for creating something you didn’t have the brains or the will to do alone. The only thing you know about BE is what we told you. I defy you to name one thing you created on your own besides the idea that you wanted to create something better than BNI. Yes, it was your idea to put Post-its on the wall. But putting blank post-its on a wall does not a BE create. Let me repeat, those “many brilliant pieces” were the ideas that we put on those Post-its. Katie, Go ahead make me a liar, ‘cause in the end one of us is going to be.
To thank you and to acknowledge you for being a part of this grand experiment I chose, as the business owner of BE, to give you each a lifetime membership, forever waiving the $3,000 annual fee. I chose to do that knowing that as the sole owner of BE, I would need to subsidize my business with my personal funds and that was worth it to me to do so. I used the BNI model. I was a BNI director for 3 years and I didn’t have to pay the annual fee of $450, but I needed to pay the group quarterly fees. With that said, for me, the difference in value between BNI and BE is palpable.
Katie, you didn’t offer to waive the $3000 fee to thank and acknowledge us “for being a part of this grand experiment” because there was no grand experiment. What there was, was a creation of a job opportunity for you to make $3000 from membership fees. You indeed may be the business owner of BE, but we, (Michelle Moquin, Chimene Pollard, Maggie Schreiber, Steve Swearengen and Nan Foster, along with you) were the creators of BE. Yeah, it was worth it to you, since you were calling yourself the sole owner of BE, if it would prevent us from contesting your sole right to that ownership. And even in that, your greed prevented you from making good on that promise. The lifetime membership that you promised me was taken away from me, just as it was from the other members you promised. As far as I know only Steve is there to benefit from your “lifetime membership.”
In short, this is my business, not ours. I am the sole owner and manager of the LLC. Had we in fact agreed to a shared ownership/management of the business entity, the pioneers would be making a financial investment in the capital and operational costs of the business, and you would be working directly and consistently with me as the owner/ manager achieve financial growth and getting this business out into the world on a bigger scale. Were we in fact shared owners/managers, we would have defined roles and expectations regarding the needs of the business such as fundraising, marketing, community involvement, R & D and so on. There would be a president, a secretary and a treasurer, with specific legal obligations relating to those. Of course, none of these things exist nor were they discussed or intended. Instead, I have carried all of these responsibilities and roles myself, outside of the meeting structure.
It is really audacious of you to suggest the other 5 Founders would be working for you and that we would be contributing money to a concept that all 6 of us put together, equally. If you had been honest about what you were planning, then who knows who would be working for whom and what, if any, moneys would come from whom? Just because you got a lawyer behind our backs doesn’t legally mean that you own BE. I don’t want any part of BE, monetarily, but I do expect to receive the credit due me for creating BE. I am one of the creators of the concept that you are claiming as something that you created alone. That makes you a liar and me one of the 6 Founders of BE. Oh and Katie, I refuse to a part of that “pioneering” BS you are spewing. We are Founders, the creators of BE, not “pioneers.”
Oh and to that BS “There would be a president, a secretary and a treasurer, with speci?c legal obligations relating to those. Of course, none of these things exist nor were they discussed or intended.” The only true parts about that BS is your statement, “nor were they discussed.” Of course they were not discussed because for that to have happened, you would have had to reveal to us in the beginning that this was a business you wanted us to create for you, for your own personal aggrandizement. That business complete with the officers didn’t get set up by us because you did not tell us it was a business idea that you wanted us to create for your sole financial benefit and ownership. So of course you carried out all those roles on your own. That was because you were the ONLY one aware of the fact that you were making BE a money-making business SOLELY for yourself.
Katie did not declare that BE was going to be her business until we were done creating it. Up until that time, any email that I received from Katie was about members meeting weekly to create a badass networking community. The statement “creating a business” was nowhere to be found. To my knowledge, I and the other Founders, were not aware that her intention was to turn BE into a business. We were first made aware of that after we had created BE, tested its operational ability, and tweaked it into the format of what you recognize today as BE.
When I spoke to Katie about not telling us that she intended for our creation to be her business alone, she matter-of-factly told me that it was always her intention to turn BE into a business. I understand now why she didn’t say that to me at the pool during our spa day, nor to any of the other Founders when we were inviting them to help create the business she has today, BE.
If Katie had said:
“Hey everyone, I need people here to help me build this new idea I have into a business for myself. I want to put together a new type of networking group that has never been done before. I want you to commit to coming here every week for months and months. We’re going to brainstorm my idea and create a business I can make money with, and afterwards we’re going to test it, while I’m selling it.”
“But Founders, I am putting you on notice that once we get all of the kinks out, I’m going to turn it into a business solely for myself. I’m going to make all of the money, and I’m not going to be giving you anything. I will not only not acknowledge the fact that you helped me create something different and better than BNI, I will tell everyone that I created it all by myself and I just brought you in to Beta test it. I will refuse to recognize anything you do to help me create this business.”
“Initially, I’m going to call you Founding members to motivate you and make you believe that you are part of something special. But when I’m ready to turn what you have helped me create into a business solely for myself, I’m going to change that Founders title to ‘Pioneers.’”
“I will define ‘Pioneer’ as someone who just Beta tested my creation of BE. That way none of you will be entitled to a dime from the business that you helped me create. If you need some legalese to justify this then hear this; ‘Founding members actually invest and you’re not investing anything, monetarily.’”
Katie, as Founding members we did invest something of value, unless you are saying that our time, ideas, input, blood sweat and tears didn’t count.
If you had told us all of that, Katie, and then asked us, “ Now, who’s going to help me create a business?” you would still be doing what you were doing before BE because there wouldn’t be a BE. Katie, honestly, why would we have agreed to put all of our time and energy into creating and building someone else’s business without any compensation, when we had our own businesses to build? I don’t know about the other 4 Founders, but I would have told you to go to_____, well, let’s just say it’s hot there a lot.)
Right now, BE is completely under water and has been since its inception. At this point I’m not clear regarding a growth path. I think it is a beautiful idea to usher in the new paradigm of leadership. I am open to discovering if BE can be a sustainable and effective business model.
In my opinion, I didn’t feel Katie was open to discussing how BE could be a sustainable and effective business model. When I went to visit Katie at her home one weekend and we were talking about BE, Katie spoke about profit sharing for members who wanted to start their own BE chapter. I told her members are joining BE for their personal growth, and that she was asking Founders/Members to grow her business without offering them any benefits, financial or otherwise. I suggested to her that Founders/Members would need to have an incentive besides personal growth, for them to get motivated to invite others to join them. I suggested that she should offer them some sort of financial reward to recruit other members. I tried to impress upon her that I didn’t think BE would grow and especially as quickly as she’d like, if those involved in its growth weren’t financially compensated for their efforts.
Since Katie seemed willing to talk about profit sharing, I remember feeling exited about sharing my ideas with her. I said to Katie, “I think we, the other 4 Founders and I would like to be more participatory in BE, you know, have a vested interest. After all we, the 6 of us, started this all together.” I also said to her, “I’m only bringing this up because you spoke about profit sharing.” Then I told Katie that I was hoping that she would be amendable to giving 10% vested interest for each one of the remaining 5 Founders. I reminded her that collectively we’ve already put in and are still putting in at least 50%. I also suggested that BE members should be given 10% of the yearly fee for people they recruit who are accepted as new members.
Simply put: I offered Katie an alternative business proposal that would give the Founders a vested interest, and members an incentive, for recruiting members and helping her build her business. That interest and incentive, wouldn’t kick in until Katie had reached 100 members. That would put $300,000.00 into Katie’s pocket before anyone else received a dime.
Katie was not interested in that proposal, so I offered her a second proposal that any member, not just the Founders, would get 10% of the yearly fee as an incentive to recruit new members.
She went for neither. Katie said she definitely didn’t see any reason to pay anyone an incentive to recruit new members for her because she felt that she could talk the members into doing that for her for free. Then she repeated that if a member started their own chapter and took it on growing it and running it, only then would she be open to profit sharing.
When I expressed again the fact that we all had put in so much of our time, I could tell by the look on Katie’s face that she was upset. Katie accused me of not valuing what she brought to BE. I expressed that I felt the same way for all of the hard work that I and the other 4 Founders had put into BE as well. I felt that my proposals would make us feel like a team again and bring back that synergy that we all had felt and experienced when we were creating BE. Somehow, ever since she decided that it was her business, the energy between all of us had shifted. How could it not? It went from “We are creating…” to Katie literally saying, “I want to be known as the sole creator of BE.”
I knew the conversation was over. So I let it go. I recited to her a quote that any sane business person should understand, “100% of nothing, is nothing.”
Katie’s “growth path” was to ask the Founders to recruit new members to grow her business. But she offered no incentive of a vested interest or benefit, other than a free yearly membership. I never heard her bring up profit sharing again.
I apologize for any of the mistakes I’ve made in my communication. Learning that it wasn’t clear that this is my business surprised me, thus necessitating this letter and a couple of meetings.
Katie didn’t make any mistake in her communications to us. She told us exactly what she wanted us to know exactly when she wanted us to know it. When Katie and I brought the other 4 Founders together to create what you know of today as BE, she didn’t want us to know that we were working to create a money-making opportunity for her sole benefit. Therefore, she didn’t communicate that information to us while we were working to create BE. However, once she saw the finish line, she went legal to remove any chance that anyone but her would be able to financially benefit from our collective efforts.
To recap, this is my LLC and business. All of the financial risks and investment are mine. I alone have subsidized the business. Truth be told, it’s often felt like herding cats to try and meet. I have put things on hold and I’ve been bending in a pretzel to accommodate your timing and schedules. Again, not right wrong good or bad. It just is what it is at the moment and I look forward to what’s possibly next in growing BE.
Katie, if you are going to use a feline analogy to describe how our creative process went, I would like to suggest this one; “You were a kitten among cats” when it came to creating the concept of BE. And like a kitten, you followed the cats until you could make it on your own. Then you ran away with the catnip.
And as far as that “bending in a pretzel to accommodate” the timing and schedules BS, you should be kissing our butts for making the time to create something for you to make a living on. That “timing and scheduling” you’re taking about were very important pieces of our lives that we sacrificed for BE by taking time from our own businesses and families to work to create what you are now claiming to be your sole creation. That’s just F**king disgusting.
“Again, not right wrong good or bad. It is just is what it is…” Actually, Katie, it was neither right nor good. It was simply wrong and bad at that moment or at any other time, to dishonor the people who came together to do what we did for you. It is simply wrong and bad for you to lie, claiming to be the sole creator of BE. BE was not your sole creation, it was a group creation by Nan Foster, Katie Macks, Michelle Moquin, Chimene Pollard, Maggie Schreiber, and Steve Swearengen. Katie, I defy you to tell us what you contributed to the creation of BE that stood out as a defining element of BE.
Hello, Katie: Wanting to create something that would function better than BNI isn’t a defining element, if you don’t know how to do it.
At this point I am open to dissolving BE, though that is not my preference.
With love,
Katie
“…open to dissolving BE,” Sure you are Katie. Hell would freeze over before you would dissolve that little money maker we created for you. No need to dissolve it. I, for one, am not interested in any of the income you derive from BE, but I refuse to give up my right to recognition for something that I helped create and that I am very proud of having created. That’s why this chronicle will remain on my website. So Katie, go ahead and erase all of the other Founders’ names, but they will remain here forever. You did not create BE, you were but 1 member of the 6 Founders who created BE. Live with it.
~Michelle
PS: I see that you are now following me on my SilverBeauty.Michelle Instagram. Interestingly when I was supposed to be your BFF for all those years, you never followed me or made a comment on my SilverBeauty.Michelle Instagram, but after you kicked me to the curb, there you were. I’m delighted. I just don’t have the time to hold a grudge. I still like you and wish you the very best in BE.